Post-Game Thoughts

by The 12th Manchild on Oct 13, 2007 9:37 PM CDT in Football

Cause:

Effect:

I'll let the pictures do most of the talking, but I've never seen a coaching staff bomb so horribly. Fran's utter refusal to play with any kind of guts got the Ags in a hole. Instead of relying on our running game to re-establish control, Fran decided we would dig ourselves out through the air. The more we threw and the less we completed, and the deeper the hole got.

The Aggie players played their hearts out and I have little negative to say about them, but the bumbling idiot with the clipboard failed to put them in a position to win the game.

In the 3rd time under Fran's tenure, the Aggies were held scoreless for 3 straight quarters (OU '03, Tenn '04)

I am officially on the F*** Fran bandwagon.

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Great post

Wish I'd thought of it. Love the graphic!

What goes around, comes around.

by Peabody on Oct 13, 2007 9:46 PM CDT 0 recs

The sideline screen

The sideline screen is really what killed us. On almost 3rd and more than 3 we would run a sideline screen where the receiver was BEHIND THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. With the tech corners lined up close to the line (either b/c our receivers are too slow or b/c we threw it deep only once) we would invariably get no gain. Additionally, I can't think of a single time Mcgee hit a receiver in stride. A stationary target is an easy tackle. Having those guys just stand still and wait for the ball (as opposed to, GASP, a slant route) is entirely on the coaches.

As to running the ball: We ran the ball EVERY down on our lone touchdown drive with great success and never went back to a consistent running game. I wouldn't have a problem with this except that we did not replace it with actual passes, instead throwing pathetic sideline screens and 3 or 4 yard deep middle routes. Just poor coaching.

And should we mention the poor tackling? There were at least 2 sacks we should have had and several tackled for losses that resulted instead in 10 to 30 yard games. That really is on the coaches hands. I really though Fran had turned a corner against OSU in that second half, I was wrong.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Oct 13, 2007 10:37 PM CDT 0 recs

edit

should read almost any 3rd and more than 3

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Oct 13, 2007 10:37 PM CDT 0 recs

As a tech student

I thought y'all played decent. We weren't all that effective stopping Lane from running the ball, that said I wish it would've been a closer game. I would've loved to see both teams put up a fight and not a huge blow out.

On a side note, I hope that any of you that went to Lubbock where treated with respect. I know that in past years Tech students have been complete a*holes, but that should change. Over the past few days we've seen every bad term from classless clows to idiots to describe our students. I think that that is unfair. The shirts while bad, shouldn't have gotten that response. And by fueling the debate they garnered even more popularity.

I do however understand that throwing battaries ('99 i believe) and the goal post incident (2001?) but at the same time A&M has alot of things in its past that didn't get brought up. We need to get over the past, and focus on the future. Te students that did that crap are mostly gone now. Both sets of fan need to just be cool with each other and no more of the fu* the faggies, or Tech is the school only those that didn't get in to A&M or UT didn't get in to, because thats just not true. Tech can hold its own academically. I got into UT, A&M, TCU, and Tech. I choose Tech because I like the atmosphere, UT was way to liberal for my tastes and too expensive, as was TCU. A&M wasn't the right fit either because I'm not much for their traditions. But enough of the rambling, hope everything went well for visiting Aggies in Lubbock.

And lastly, Fire Coach Fran, because he sucks. A&M is better then 35-7.

by redraider0206 on Oct 14, 2007 5:09 PM CDT 0 recs

Disagree with virtually the entire post above

I didn't think A&M played that great, I don't think they're better than 35-7. I do hope that Aggie fans were treating with respect though I'm kind of tired of hearing about the phantom battery incident sans any actual documentation of it happening.

by Red Blooded on Oct 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think they are

I think they are better then 35-7. If they had a choach who could actually coach they would be a whole lot better. But their coach sucks. Look at our defense, they sucked, but in 3 weeks they have drastically improved, IMO, all because of a choaching change. They have the talent, its just a matter of getting to it.

As for the batteries, I couldn't find any concrete evidence, just people talking on blogs, and the AP article, but that was very biased against Tech (contributing writer was from College Station), so I don't know if it happened or not.

by redraider0206 on Oct 14, 2007 10:52 PM CDT 0 recs

Pretty sure it happens guys..

I don't recall if they were batteries or not, but on last thursday's radio show, former Aggie WR Chad Schroeder mentioned being pelted with foreign objects on the sideline.

- Brad -

by The 12th Manchild on Oct 14, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

Do you have links?

First it was fans getting hit with batteries in the stands (without a link, or evidence, from an AP article that repeats what was, quite likely, a vicious lie) and now it is a player, Chad Schroeder, getting hit with "foreign objects" on the sideline? Did he qualify what was a "foreign object" exactly? Bad language?

If Tech fans threw batteries at someone, we deserve criticism for it. But let's make sure someone actually committed a wrong here before we brand Tech fans as being mean enough to throw batteries.

by Red Blooded on Oct 14, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

exact quote from Chad

when asked about the "warmth" of playing in Lubbock:

(apparently only played there once because he had a broken leg the other time the Ags were @ Tech)

"I only went one time though, and that was my Rs Fr. or Sophomore year (2003) I guess, and it wasn't a very good game for us. But, I did take a couple of batteries to the helmet..."

Chad Schroeder is a stand up guy and a good Aggie, I have no reason to doubt his word.

Every school's fans have bad apples that embarrass the rest, but the bad apples at tech are just a whole different kind of nasty.

- Brad -

by The 12th Manchild on Oct 15, 2007 12:45 AM CDT up 0 recs

Re:

I'm still not seeing a link.
I do not support the throwing of batteries.
Tech's "bad apples" are not any nastier than other team's bad apples, even were it true that someone threw a battery at Shroeder, which I don't support. I don't accuse A&M of being a "different kind of nasty" when your fans draw swords against SMU.
As has been said on TexAgs by Aggie fans, it's one thing to consider yourselves classy or better fans than the rest of us, it's another to act self righteous about it.

by Red Blooded on Oct 15, 2007 7:16 AM CDT up 0 recs

link

Mp3 link

Chad is talking around the 12:50 mark.

I'm not trying say Aggies are perfect, and some can be very tiresome when it comes to thinking they're the best at anything.

remember, this website is NOT texags. I like to think I put a little more thought into what is said here.

That being said, if this were the 80's and our teams were still in the SWC, you'd have every right to try to call us out for that cadet pulling his sword on the SMU fan that rushed our field.

but, it's not the 80's. It's post-2000, and even in this millennium Tech fans and students are ripping up their own bleachers, attacking opposing fans, being persistently rude, and throwing batteries at players on the sidelines.

- Brad -

by The 12th Manchild on Oct 15, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Uhhh

Among the scathing criticisms of Lubbock that Chad has is that "it's a great environment" (though he's interrupted by whomever is hosting because he's insisting that there's "going to be a fight" after the show -- thoughts?). I didn't get the sense from his interview at all that he hated Lubbock that much at all. I went to High School with Chad and although I graduated prior to him and we weren't friends, I knew mutual acquaintences and all accounts were that he's a nice, reliable, honest guy. I expected to hear something vitriolic from him and be flustered but really it was a pretty tame interview, or at least the bits where he's talking about Lubbock.

By the way, and I'm just listening through this entire interview... I take offense to the content of this asshole's speech (not Chad's, the host's) apologizing for Tech's absolute torchage of A&M in Lubbock by psychoanalyzing not only the players, who apparently only win because we play harder than A&M, but of the entire fan base. It's revisionist psychobabble nonsense; Tech is either a better team, a better coached team, or some combination of the two. I'm listening to this guy say that I not only hate A&M, but I'm jealous of them? His quote: "Most of their students wish they could come to Texas A&M." The reason I might want to throw batteries at this asshole is because I find that level of pretenion utterly despicable. I say that jokingly, since I do not want to throw batteries at anyone nor do I find that appropriate, but I also question whether you're doing a good job of demonstrating moral superiority over Texas Tech fans when you link to a radio show where one of your partisans demonstrates in embarrassing fashion why Aggies are easily the most disliked fanbase in the Big 12. I don't want to rely too much on anecdotes to make the point, but I'm a student at the University of Texas Law School and one of my fellow classmates, upon learning that I went to Tech undergraduate, straight up looked me in the face and said "I'm sorry." I thought that was rude, though not at all uncharacteristic of Aggie fans on TexAgs or elsewhere, and reinforced by this guy spouting on nonsense about the jealousy factor (it has never in my entire life crossed my mind to attend Texas A&M -- not said because I think there's anything wrong with the school, but rather to demonstrate that jealousy doesn't operate on my dislike of A&M).

"Most of their fans wish they weren't stuck out there in West Texas..." I loved West Texas, and Lubbock. I don't presume to speak on behalf of Aggies nationwide on the virtues of College Station, a place I'm largely unfamiliar with.

"No offense... I guess you can be offended if you want."

Etc. It's like that throughout the interview. And it's hard not to reach similar conclusions about other Aggie fans when watching, for instance, Blake's ridiculous Takes on why he hates the Red Raiders so much. There's this horrible level of pretension among Aggie fans for why you're better than the rest of us, alternating between your football prowess -- over Baylor (also covered in the interview) -- to academics, which you hold over Texas Tech as if A&M were an Ivy League School (so I guess all Aggie fans are really jealous of UT students, seeing as how they're a better academic institution and a more storied football program?)

The guy giving the interview is a jerk. I have no problem distancing myself from battery throwers and drunken fans acting like drunken fans. By the same token, I think you'd do your entire fanbase a service by distancing yourselves collectively from this Holier Than Thou attitude. That attitude persists today, in the 21st century, more than ever. It has only grown as the losses have piled up against Texas Tech.

This entire debate is about whether or not Tech fans are especially bad relative to Aggies. If the evidence you have that this is the case is this Aggie fan spouting sanctimony about how awesome he is relative to the rest of us, then spare me.

There are plenty of things wrong with the state of the A&M fanbase. I won't pretend as if you guys are worse than the rest of the nation (though in certain aspects, this grossly misplaced sense of entitlement for instance, that is absolutely correct). But I'm simply not buying that Tech are so horrible relative to guys like the one I'm listening to right now.

by Red Blooded on Oct 15, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Since when

is a team better than their coach? As you said, with inferior coaching, our defense sucked, without qualification.

by Red Blooded on Oct 14, 2007 11:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

with proper coaching

a team can play to its full potential. Our defense sucked, look at our stats from the first few games compared to now with mcneill as DC. If they had a good coach he could get all of their talent. Fran doesn't do that. I think with proper coaching and play calling they would have done better. I still think they would have lost but it would have been closer. Thats just MHO.

As for shit being thrown, I know this weekend one of the core guys got hit in the head with a football thrown from the grass section. Another guy threw a bottle at the band but they kicked him out pretty fast.

I like the intense rivaly, but throwing crap at people is just gay. But much worse happens at the big rivalry games (ie OSU/Michigan)

by redraider0206 on Oct 15, 2007 12:18 AM CDT 0 recs

who cares

Y'know I could give a s*&t less what a t thug u. fan thinks about fan behavior. Deny it all you want, say it's just A&M & t.u. that have problems, or that A&M's are just as bad (that's false: see the youtube link above and then google the nebraska volleyball teams complaint to the big 12 about racial slurs being levyed at their team where as their thank you notes sent to A&M from the northern teams) (in volleyball no less, who gives a flying f*&k about volleyball). But you won't, cause you are kool-aid drinkers. anyway, the bottom-line is enjoy the "super-bowl" win and associated hangovers and std treatments and watch sat. as your shot at a big 12 title (which as I recall you guys haven't gotten since oh...the border conference) evaporates as mizzou and chase daniel take you apart...then maybe colorado...then t.u......then o.u. and then you'll start talking again after you beat a mediocre team in a bowl no one has ever heard of (who will fire their coach out of embarassment after losing to an eternally average B-12 team). so drink up thuggies and rest your throwing arms because the buffaloes come to town in a few weeks & god knows those crazy liberals could use some (insert objects here) upside the head On behalf of the rest of the state of Texas....Thanks for embarassing the s*&t out of us!

by vick116 on Oct 15, 2007 10:41 PM CDT 0 recs

Great post!

by Red Blooded on Oct 15, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

Great Example

Vick116,

Congradulations on confirming virtually every stereotype ever concieved about annoying, arrogant, self pretentious Aggie fans. I for one, have more than a few Aggie alum friends and co-workers who are nothing like you and actually despise the hell out of all the annoying little self righteous jerks like yourself.

I know Vick116 doesn't speak for the majority of Aggies but rather the small minority of overwhelming pricks, that through a concerted effort, have helped to perpetuate a negative reputation for A&M fans as a whole, which is ironic, because that that is the reputation they want to label on all other schools.

There is not one line in your post where you don't insult, perpetuate negative stereotypes, or go out of the way to show how truly vile you are. You need a serious reality check.

by cfbnut on Oct 16, 2007 3:50 AM CDT up 0 recs